People have certain biases from who was flying in any accident that makes it easy to manipulate them. The elevation data in Google Earth also does not agree with a 4' difference. That's magical thinking to support a flawed theory about busted minimums.The earlier comment just said "short runway", no one said anything about not being able to land a Caravan on it. This accident is missing citations or reference sources. There may also be weather equipment at that plant and it may have logging capability. In the video, the pilot clearly was trying to extend the flight path as much as possible to the very last few seconds. and should have gone around or made sure the diamonds were centered.https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI/tracklogBoth of those approaches aren't as stabilized so my guess is that she was experiencing a lot of turbulence though the winds were fairly light (8kts) and practically straight down the runway (190). First of all, when is capitalism EVER unchecked? It's true that 109' separation isn't a lot, but the outdated overhead view of the stack that google maps shows tends to make commenters here miss the red steel base structure and sampler's work platform at the very top in the more recent street view images. The collision smokestack is 2,639' from the threshold (measured on Google Earth). The MDA is no longer applicable once you have the airport in sight. "It doesn't seem like you understand how ASOS works. Subsequently, the controller cleared the pilot for the RNAV runway 20 approach via the MALTT transition at BYI. It doesn't provide the external factors such as bird strikes or the flight deck conversation to know the human factors. All messages must be civil in tone; if critical, must be constructive. She applied power and nose up to go around but the steam cloud pulled her right into the stack.Or maybe you're smarter than the ntsb investigators right there at the scene interviewing witnesses and looking at the weather conditions and the runway and what happened? The content is there, was always there. The FAA also thinks the runways at Burley are short. Runway 20 has one. A Cessna 501 Citation I/SP plane, registered N66BK, was destroyed in an accident near Smyrna Airport, TN (MQY), United States of America. :-)Try this, cued t=140, set it to .25 speed, 2:20 to 2:31 to see plume:https://youtu.be/fNIsBWj6nok?t=140, You might want to rethink that comment about the condensation plume from the plant being "underwhelming." But to go below the MDA prior to 1.1 miles from the runway kinda busts the approach. If the visibility was .5 SM better than reported, then the pilot would have had approximately 35 seconds from breaking out to see and avoid the tower. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this one. Flying time at 80 kts ground speed was just 16 sec, break out to tower. The reported ceilings were well above the MDA, so unless you were sitting in the cockpit next to the pilot, you have no idea if they could make out the runway or not when they passed the MDA. The Flight Safety Emergency Checklist Memory Items for an Inadvertent Icing Encounter calls for:(1) Ignition Switch .ON(2) Inertial SeparatorBYPASS (bypasses precipitation past the intake back out in the slipstream)(3) PITOT/STATIC, STALL, WINDSHIELD, PROP, ANTI-ICEONThe FAA/NTSB Safety Investigators hopefully have noted the various switch positions of all the above, whether the Inertial Separator was placed in the BYPASS position, and whether wing flaps were selected.I am not aware of whether this was an older model of Cessna Caravan equipped with legacy round instrument gages and the old booted deice system. (Note: BYI METAR winds were 200 at 7 to 8 knots during both approaches. Operate below MDA at your own risk.. For one ADSB tracks are not reliable, for two how incompetent of .gov to put a stack right on short final. no lift in warm/wet steam. That 31,000-fpm descent rate is one of the last pieces of usable radar data the Nashville TRACON's radar recorded from N66BK, a Cessna Citation 501, before it crashed into Lake Percy Priest . Sorry about the un-closed bold run-on. They just list basic facts and observations with occasional cursory analysis. I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. The twin engine Cessna reportedly came down near Andrews Avenue.Reports are []. -480 , for the first 30 seconds to MDA then -800 for the last 30 seconds would avg - 640. This issue was resolved by the pandemic, which put the company out of business. https://www.kmvt.com/2021/02/26/the-fate-of-the-burley-municipal-airport-continues-to-be-uncertain/, N928JP diverted to Twin Falls on the day before the accident. "blame it on the steam cloud" assigns no responsibility, no liability. DG posted an hour long analysis of this accident on his channel. The altimeter setting at the destination airport was 29.97, so the pressure altitude correction would be +50 feet, which puts the aircraft right at the expected altitude of 7,000 feet, not 50 feet too low as you surmised.3. About 1 minute later, the controller asked the pilot if she had crossed the initial approach fix. Also, if the pilot intended the first pass to inspect the runway surface and conditions, they would not have slowed down as much as on the final pass. "The captains change to a vertical speed approach after failing to capture the profile glidepath was not in accordance with UPS procedures and guidance and decreased the time available for the first officer to perform her duties." Sorry, but that's insane.You can pull data all day long from flight records and try to figure out why she did what she did, but the fact remains that a published non-precision LNAV approach that misses a smokestack by 61' is unacceptable. The FAA isn't in the habit of approving approaches that don't meet TERPS, so that is a given. There is a platform after the first section of ladder where you have to walk over to get to the second section, so that is not a broken ladder, it is the design in the ladder system. Her last post on social media read Ive been flying so much lately I think I might be growing wings.. inscripciones ceprunsa 2023. mapa aduanero de venezuela; humedales de la costa central del per; nissan repblica dominicana; inscripciones ceprunsa 2023 Cessna 172P Skyhawk, N97883: Fatal accident occurred October 06, 2022 at Newport News/Williamsburg International Airport (KPHF), Virginia National Transportation Safety Board - Accident Report Number: ERA23FA008 Yesterday's accident was very unfortunate. The wreckage will be recovered on Wednesday, June 8. The plant releases huge quantities of hot water vapour through stacks, (industrial chimneys). El Paso, TX USA No problem to figure out from the street view image, using the height of the red frame's upper platform yellow guardrail as a measuring reference for the stack and truck bay door openings to figure roof elevation.The stack rises above the roof surface by approximately 20 multiples of the guardrail height. She had a special gift for making everyone she met feel important, and her smile lit up every room. 18. The KBYI AWOS observations already cited above all gave evidence of Icing Conditions of -SN (light snow) and below freezing temperatures. In any case, one shouldn't have to look up obstacles in a database and do trig on them to brief a plate. Checking Notams for BYI, no mention of towers or obstacles with the exeception of a tower 30nm away. There was a small plane crash in North Carolina on June 16, 2022. ", No question that the yellow ladder has been displaced. Replies. Maybe you thought they were recent because the overhead photo shown on google map imaging is not as recent as street view or the Town News article photos and the red metal structure and yellow ladder wasn't there when the outdated overhead image was taken. Whatever the case, I can't imagine the pain her family is going through. Her love for flying was only surpassed by the love she had for her family and friends. The "what happened" seems evident, but "why it happened" is unknown and will likely remain that way. Ratings: COMMERCIAL PILOTAIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LANDAIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE SEAAIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE, 1500hr rule. "Your nonsense responses like "false" with zero explanation demonstrates that you have no actual idea what TERPS, an obstacle clearance surface, and approach minimums are. Also the color of the building itself? The obstacle database shows a red light on the stack, but photocell would likely keep it off after sunrise.Watch the Kameraone.com scene video in comments further down, it helps visualize snow fall effects that were still intermittently occurring after ladder trucks arrived. Not exactly the type of volume that would create "a concentrated convective cell storm." Flaps don't seem to be deployed. Presumably, the decision to descend from cruise altitude for BYI on the accident day followed similar protocol.Let's look at the METARs available for making the real-time decision on each of those two days:The divert from BYI to Twin Falls on the day before the accident shows up as a turn toward TWF underway at 14:52:44 Z. Non-credible to believe roof was perceived as runway with continuation all the way to impact by a pilot expecting the river to lay across the approach end of the runway as it had always been in every previous landing there. Can't imagine why this approach is even published. Where the airplane could've flown 20 feet further, then everyone may have walked away. The crash wasn't a result of a tower appearing out of nowhere, but an airplane appearing where it shouldn't be. The aircraft departed the Houston . The documents could also be provided on the DG website he operates so that anyone can see them in full context. It may be tempting to go below the MDA before the VDP at an uncontrolled field, but then again, why do it and risk death? Reply. (Which is common in CFIT accidents non precision approaches). With luck there will be a SD card data record to help in understanding. Second, if ANYTHING needs to be checked up, how about checking up our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in WASHINGTON with out of control wasteful spending on taxpayer AND borrowed freaking MONEY!!!! Silos? Ice forming on the intake cowling constricts the air intake. If she was still in IMC after minimums, the witness and security camera would not have seen her aircraft. The vapour warms the air as it cools and condenses, a process accentuated by a cold day. @billy - The accident pilot was initially flying a 4.1 descent angle leaving JAMID, with 1.6 NM remaining to the RW20 threshold. For a moment let's adjust your pass-over clearance results of 63' and 73' up by that extra 16 feet to get 79' and 89' pass-over clearances while pretending that the FAA database numbers are spot on (read on for the surprise! ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 301345. If you want to talk about it, post there or POA. AD Compliance Report April 2022. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop. In her job as Commissioner Doris is in the forefront of efforts to retain the very busy Santa Monica airport which is threatened by a very small but vocal group of neighbors and an unsympathetic City Council. I venture that your confident swagger and language will be forever humbled. and "you guys are crazy", maybe pause what you are doing and reconsider. From an Engineers perspective, looking at Google Earth Pro, the runway centerline runs within 5 feet or so from the stack that looks to have been struck by the left wing of the aircraft. You take 400 divided by 375, you get 1.1 Miles from the runway as a VDP. "It's not a minimums bust if you have any of the required runway elements in sight before you descend. Looking at obstacle markings on the BYI RW20 approach plate, it is interesting to compare to ALL of the HEYBURN-associated obstacles that exist in the current 16-ID.dat obstacle database.Notably, the 4179' obstruction shown by the river at 7th avenue in the inset runway detail of the plate is not in the database, appears to be Gossner's Magic Valley Chalet based on low height and location. Applying the full +50 feet of declared tolerance to 100' AGL and 4,256' MSL takes 50 feet out of the 79' and 89' foot clearance numbers leaving pass-over clearances of just 13 and 23 feet.What a can of worms. The previous day's BYI flight diverted to Twin Falls.2. Source:https://trellis.law/judge/rex.h.minterAirmen registry shows he and Doris BOTH having Commercial Pilot and Mechanic A&P certs, ASEL, Instrument (plus AMEL for him), his last third class med exam 1998, hers 2013. Unless you are unable to. I want to add some info here, for what it's worth. Sunrise was 6:56. Additionally, the aircraft should have been approximately 100 feet to the right of the stacks if the needles/diamonds are centered and on the approach path. Can't tell from pictures if both wings were at crash site. "Nothing new under the sun." "Sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud!" There is no RWY 30 at KBYI. METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. Regardless of the precise reasons for her own accident, the FAA, Burley Airfield authority, and the board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" have very serious questions to answer. It increases the weight of the aircraft and changes the weight and balance. Juan Brown on the Blancolirio YouTube Channel mentions the icing conditions. The pilot had the right idea to land on the hard-packed sand. After graduating from ATP, Brittney was a flight instructor at Aero guard, Gem Air, and privately in Salmon, Idaho, and received various flight licenses, including commercial, instrument, multiengine, CFI, CFII, MEI, tailwheel, and seaplane. I admire everyone who is alive and I am happy for those of us, regardless of age who enjoy the freedom to decide on how to spend our time. Amazingly, the flight could have succeeded all things else considered.The onus would appear to be on the plant and surrounding politics in this instance. "Don't bust minimums. Steam has water vapor and is warm so it provides significantly less lift. I'm not a pilot. The billowing clouds suddenly blind you, and the aircraft loses lift at the worst possible time. That full sequence of reports showing 6, 2 1/2, 1 1/2, 1. This one was a T210L and had been flying from Orlando, Florida, to Jackson, Tennessee. Preventing upper body collision with the instrument panel in relatively survivable accidents doesn't get enough consideration. Last edited: Dec 22, 2021. With such small margins, even little differences count. RIP. Oh, right--where IS the VDP on this approach? "Ducking under" wasn't still on the accident pilot's to do list by the time JAMID was reached. A Cessna 501 Citation I SP took off from Venice, Fla., shortly before noon. This means the potato plant created artificial IFR conditions. The "starter" typo is an immediate and huge tell to everyone with turbine engine knowledge.Searching for "Ice on the rotor and starter blades" finds lots of copy and paste repetitions online of someone's long ago unnoticed autocorrect goof that changed stator to starter. Other company pilots: "BYI steam is routine, I can land there just fine"7. I'm an engineer and have a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering and a master's degree in aerospace engineering, with 15 years experience.Using satellite data from Google Earth, I drew up the geometry of this airport and the surrounding area in CAD, to prevent math errors. Don't bust minimums, ladies and gents. Either they didn't meet the criteria for inclusion or it was an oversight by the FAA. Peace. How could anyone be up here, see Gods creation, and doubt His love? she had asked. Granbury reports they didn't see (post crash): KGDJ 050255Z AUTO 14008KT 5SM BR OVC007 11/10 A3009 RMK AO2 T01050098,M During that last phase, the Caravan was in a nose-high descent. The lowest reported cloud layer was 1500 feet higher than the MDA. I believe the stack in question WAS added relatively recently (it is NOT one of the six clustered together, is was by itself on a different part of the roof. You hit MDA, see the runway, and continue descent to land, but maybe don't see the smokestack due to snow flurries and steam from it blowing toward you. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information . I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. One correction for your analysis: The elevation of the stack she hit is 4256' MSL in the FAA's obstacle database.Using your calculation of the flight path elevation at the stack, applying the FAA's verified stack elevation revises your math to: 4,365' - 4,256' = 109'.The top of the stack is 109' below the flight path. The #5 comment about lowest cloud layer is important to grasp. Solo/Missed Approach/Marginal Conditions/Challenging Airport = High StressIt's the perfect setup for one of those 'undiagnosed preexisting medical conditions' that have been making the rounds these days with athletes.The coroner's report should be interesting - condolences to her family. This is from the elevation data in Google Earth, and visually looking from the runway appears to be in the ballpark, as the northeast bank of the river is higher than the runway. "why on God's green earth was she 100 feet AGL a half-mile from the runway" How about any number of reasons that many aircraft have crashed in VMC with the runway in sight: engine failure, icing, wind sheer, pilot incapacitation, etc. The ASOS facility is located 600' west of the runway 20 threshold, so I think the Caravan would have broken out approximately 4650' from the runway and just 2100' from the stack that was hit. Not sure why there would be a belief that the preliminary indicates that investigators have settled on "sucked down" as the cause, but that type of weird phrasing is typical tuber fandom carryover as mentioned in the post you responded to, proving the point perfectly - Thanks! Those stacks were well outside where any airplane should ever find itself. In the publication it states that if an airplane was manufactured without shoulder harnesses, the owner should obtain a kit to install them from the manufacturer or manufacturer's local representative. "That's what you get if capitalism runs unchecked and controls every aspect of public life: commercials, banalities and emotions instead of reason, science and art that make life so much fuller. We know the outcome.Don't bust minimums. It takes a lot of practice even when you know exactly what you are looking at. Operating Certificate(s) Held: Commuter air carrier (135), Observation Facility, Elevation: KBYI,4143 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 1 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 8 knots / , 190, Departure Point: Salt Lake City, UT (SLC), Latitude, Longitude: 42.551433,-113.75969. I know this is an uncorrected altitude for temp/pressure so if you add the 50 to 100' as suggested above for correction, that would put the aircraft at about 4250' MSL. (All of the info presented below is offered with the understanding expressed in this posting and by others regarding usage of ADS-B data. (Although it is interesting to speculate, and discuss.). So much hate over something trivial sad that so many in our society have succumbed to this level. "still baffling how one of them died. Even after receiving her bachelors degree, all Brittney wanted to do was fly. A non-precision step down IFR approach to minimums is one of the hardest things any Pilot is ever called upon to do. The A/FD mentions the threshold is displayed 305 feet due to the stack. The airplane subsequently struck the smokestack and fell to the rooftop. Apparently the mail must get through, despite the automated voice telling you "Minimums" and you don't have the runway. Wasn't at night. He blamed a hazardous chimney on the Gem State Processing Plant for the deadly crash.Hmmmmmm! But that's not our business to judge. Good observation about first occurrence. Perhaps this was the pilot's first flight to Burley, or an infrequent stop?Other measures for safety and possible fatigue: No snake river or other possible, large visual cue in sight? Really only SE piston and one helicopter showing on Flightaware. Nothing was cut. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. He survived but required a series of reconstructive surgeries.He had flown in shoulder harness equipped aircraft but the Cherokee he was using for his own startup flight school was just lap belts:https://www.chieftain.com/story/news/disaster/2020/02/06/pilot-instructor-faces-tough-recovery/1738143007/http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020/02/piper-pa-28-150-cherokee-c-n5969w-fatal.html. All seven occupants died, including diet guru Gwen Shamblin Lara and her husband, actor Joe Lara. Freight dispatchers aren't the ones responsible for letting under-equipped airports remain that way. FYI, the 4304' obstacle shown on the RWY 20 approach plate plan view is NOT any of the stacks at Gem State plant. You sound like a true Ftard! At just before noon high elevation. No civilians were reported injured on the beach, officials added. Witnesses on the ground said the plane's wings came off mid-air in high winds before a shower of debris fell from the sky. This is probably why the pilot decided to continue the approach. Sure, reported airport weather can be different than what you experience on approach, but it is quite unlikely that less than 1 mile off airport, the ceilings dropped from 2100 AGL to 200 AGL and visibility halved from 2SM to 1SM to keep the pilot in IMC when the airport weather was trending in the opposite direction. All three aboard were killed in the crash . I read all the comments. Verifying that it is the correct stack by mapping the stack coordinates is somewhat of a leap of faith.Let's now work from the 79' and 89' clearances we got from adjusting your calcs by pretending that the nominal FAA elevation numbers were accurate. As any pilot knows, the altitudes reported by FlightAware are uncorrected pressure altitudes and do not reflect the corrected indicated barometric altitude that pilots reference for assigned altitudes, MDA, etc. Remember to embrace and treasure every moment, just as she did. Replies. I can see someone trying to land on the roof of that factory, confusing it for the extended threshold of the runway in the bad conditions. That full sequence of reports showing 6, 2 1/2, 1 1/2, 1. E.g. With airlines short of pilots, why was this 30 year old college grad "COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 1/3/2020" flying UPS 208 Grand Caravans? Also no PAPI on that runway so no way to determine her glidepath without visual references. UPDATE- GoFund Me created to get Matt and his daughter back in the air- https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-rebuild-matt-mansells-cessna?qid=c3a638176d86b1758473. When I look at Google Earth and that smoke stack it obvious it was only a matter of time before that stack met a plane trying to make the runway. Here's a better angle of the stack and ladder that were struck with the right wing where you can see the gash in the stack, and the damaged section of the ladder.https://gray-kmvt-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/Z9XA94vRdq5ABRdEofwGJeK0tGE=/1200x675/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/JNAC4GVPRBC7RHHQSIO3P2WAEY.JPGStreet view from US Hwy 30 in June 2019 of same stackhttps://www.google.com/maps/@42.5508056,-113.7581799,3a,60y,310.62h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXjHKzC_zNsmc7-AQYHeIAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en. In this case, you have an unconventional approach angle, no vertical guidance, no VASI, no PAPI. It makes my heart sick to think about what this delightful person must have gone through. Before the first approach, the pilot acknowledged the weather. and both pilots followed provided vertical guidance as required for Part 121 aircraft even if the procedure results in a visual approach? KBYI has a 3.7 degree glidepath for obstacles, including the plant and the railroad brige, which would put her at 66.7 feet over the threshold and about 108 feet over the end of the displaced threshold. We also know that this position was too low as thousands of other flights landed on that runway without hitting the stack.The MDH seems much lower than the OVC layer. The reported ceilings were well above the MDA, so unless you were sitting in the cockpit next to the pilot, you have no idea if they could make out the runway or not when they passed the MDA. The obstacle she hit was less than half a mile from the runway and at or below 100 AGL, so unless you think the weather somehow magically decreased to 200 ft ceilings and half a mile vis, she definitely had the runway in sight well before she hit the obstacles, so "busting minimums" was not a factor.If you are focused on approaching a short runway, there is no VSGI to guide you on the required steep non-standard descent angle, it can be easy to miss the grey colored obstacles that don't stand out.
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